Comments on: The Rise and Rise of the Modernist Artist http://abstractcritical.com/article/the-rise-and-rise-of-the-modernist-artist/ Abstract Critical is a not-for profit company aiming to establish a new critical context for all generations of artists involved with ambitious abstract art. Sun, 09 Nov 2014 17:23:33 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.2 By: Peter Stott http://abstractcritical.com/article/the-rise-and-rise-of-the-modernist-artist/#comment-600039 Sun, 01 Jun 2014 20:46:33 +0000 http://abstractcritical.com/?post_type=article&p=8031#comment-600039 The Damien Hirst 100 million quid sale scandal needs putting in its place, today´s context (2014) is that every week, folk are winning 150 million quid on the lottery. It´s not such big news anymore, even if it´s money for junk. So what? The real point of the Hirst sale is to render the value of art meaningless, as such, an attempt to de-balls it in the name of keeping the power of the visual in the hands of the media, to pulverize us all with computer graphic effects, to keep us all in our place, and also to break the will of all the genuine artists out there. So all this ´The world changing stuff is really not the case, it´s same as same as, a pencil is still a pencil etc.

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By: anthony seymour http://abstractcritical.com/article/the-rise-and-rise-of-the-modernist-artist/#comment-498918 Thu, 24 Apr 2014 13:44:09 +0000 http://abstractcritical.com/?post_type=article&p=8031#comment-498918 Reminds me of John Hoyland & Damien Hirst’s enthusiasm for his work.
Maybe its like Hoyland said about re-gurgitating rather than sampling modernism and trying to digest it originally, but as he also felt talking about the filigree of painting, Western artists are probably in a lot of trouble if very skilled people outside of it ever get inside!

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By: Peter Stott http://abstractcritical.com/article/the-rise-and-rise-of-the-modernist-artist/#comment-483274 Sat, 19 Apr 2014 11:42:41 +0000 http://abstractcritical.com/?post_type=article&p=8031#comment-483274 Abstract art is more about cosmology than ‘the times we live in’, Roger Denyson wrote a very good article about the West’s appropriation of abstract art, I provided the link on the re-invention of abstract art at MOMA essay a while back.
Paint, stuff to aid you to see other stuff, abstract art was supposed to facilitate visions of this other stuff better than paint that already seemed to be stuff, but what other stuff? God or aliens?

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By: Robin Greenwood http://abstractcritical.com/article/the-rise-and-rise-of-the-modernist-artist/#comment-480753 Fri, 18 Apr 2014 18:26:40 +0000 http://abstractcritical.com/?post_type=article&p=8031#comment-480753 Tweet it! I’m betting on it being figurative.

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By: Mark Stone http://abstractcritical.com/article/the-rise-and-rise-of-the-modernist-artist/#comment-480367 Fri, 18 Apr 2014 16:11:30 +0000 http://abstractcritical.com/?post_type=article&p=8031#comment-480367 email me your address and I’ll send it to you!

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By: Robin Greenwood http://abstractcritical.com/article/the-rise-and-rise-of-the-modernist-artist/#comment-480255 Fri, 18 Apr 2014 15:32:59 +0000 http://abstractcritical.com/?post_type=article&p=8031#comment-480255 Go on then. What would that painting look like?

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By: Mark Stone http://abstractcritical.com/article/the-rise-and-rise-of-the-modernist-artist/#comment-479781 Fri, 18 Apr 2014 12:40:52 +0000 http://abstractcritical.com/?post_type=article&p=8031#comment-479781 Yes, Robin, but to get to the “intrinsic content” doesn’t one have to live, to be involved in existence in some way? Don’t we have to be involved in the “extrinsic content” of our lives? We are humans, living in the world for whatever time we have, in whatever way we can. I want abstraction, and abstract painting especially, to confront that, to be more “real.” Just as Courbet, Cezanne and Picasso pursued that reality. I want Caravaggio’s dirty nails and feet, I want Michelangelo’s tormented bodies, I want Delacroix’s snarling horses. I think that would make for an exciting abstraction! I leave transcendence for the more evolved artists.

Anthony, thanks for your comment and I think you’re correct. We do have to let the world in!
(Apologies for my delayed response – my mac book died and is being repaired at the Genius Bar! Another abstract problem in the real world. What would that painting look like?)

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By: anthony seymour http://abstractcritical.com/article/the-rise-and-rise-of-the-modernist-artist/#comment-476677 Thu, 17 Apr 2014 13:46:59 +0000 http://abstractcritical.com/?post_type=article&p=8031#comment-476677 Sounds acutely flinty and no nonsense – maybe abstraction is the behaviour of the artist and the content is the performance of making the work and then having to look at it a long time and wonder what happened?

I agree about bringing up Cezanne very much but the terrible thing is that most “serious” people now just read theory and have extremely limited experience or ego to actually make anything of their own or outside of received education, but they definitely want a lot of status and they would probably think Cezanne is frankly “not skilfull”!!!!!

These are the sort of people who will probably move into dominance in this century…..Robin makes far more sense but who has the ability to listen or look regards a way of thinking that is sort of honestly too sophisticated for them all!!!!!

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By: Robin Greenwood http://abstractcritical.com/article/the-rise-and-rise-of-the-modernist-artist/#comment-475912 Thu, 17 Apr 2014 08:13:41 +0000 http://abstractcritical.com/?post_type=article&p=8031#comment-475912 On the contrary, every artist worth a damn has transcended the contingencies of their times. The challenge of abstract art is to discover new intrinsic content regardless of context. That’s a very different kind of “meaning” to that provided by extrinsic subject-matter.

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By: Mark Stone http://abstractcritical.com/article/the-rise-and-rise-of-the-modernist-artist/#comment-474732 Wed, 16 Apr 2014 22:31:17 +0000 http://abstractcritical.com/?post_type=article&p=8031#comment-474732 Robin, we can not escape our times. No artist worth a damn has been able to do such a thing. In fact the best of them have engaged and found deeper meaning for their work – even Paul. As for the toothbrush and the welder, why not? Why can’t those things actually affect they way you think and understand the world around you? But you’re on your own with the hip joinery thing…

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