Comments on: Modernist Manoeuvres and Pop Paradox: Michael Stubbs on the ‘Highs’ and ‘Lows’ of his Abstract Paintings http://abstractcritical.com/article/modernist-manoeuvres-and-pop-paradox-michael-stubbs-on-the-highs-and-lows-of-his-abstract-paintings/ Abstract Critical is a not-for profit company aiming to establish a new critical context for all generations of artists involved with ambitious abstract art. Sun, 09 Nov 2014 17:23:33 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.2 By: Ashley West http://abstractcritical.com/article/modernist-manoeuvres-and-pop-paradox-michael-stubbs-on-the-highs-and-lows-of-his-abstract-paintings/#comment-179361 Sun, 16 Jun 2013 15:12:02 +0000 http://abstractcritical.com/?post_type=article&p=7061#comment-179361 I’m surprised that this article hasn’t generated more discussion, as some of the central issues seem to be contained here. Maybe they have been aired enough previously, although such discussions do always seem to go around in circles. In response to this article comments have fragmented to a ridiculous degree, which is a shame. When I look at these paintings (the later ones) I am initially attracted to the look of them – the deep spaces, flat spaces, graphic elements, signs of process, the layering, and the fairly broad vocabulary; these make way for a dynamic visual experience. They look like they could be the real thing, but from what Mike says, they are not. Yet they seem to ride on the back of both the serious searching of abstract expressionism and the antithesis of Pop Art. It appears that this also is what Mike is after. It isn’t necessarily easy to do this convincingly – one can see that it it takes a thorough knowledge of art history, a savvy awareness of popular culture, understanding of the zeitgeist, and an ambitious display of technical prowess. So maybe very clever, but I’m not sure that it’s as ‘searching’ as it looks, which again, is maybe exactly what Mike wants – everything in fact is tongue in cheek, which leaves me wondering what Mike gets out of it. I don’t think there’s any two ways about it – Newman, Motherwell, Giacometti, Diebenkorn, Sutherland, these guys really put their necks on the line – yes, it was about searching for truths, and I believe it is undeniable that the source of things can only be discovered ‘in the silence of one’s one being’ so to speak, and through not only an intellectual and physical intelligence, but also an intelligence of feeling and spirit, though I know it has become very uncool to talk in such terms. That isn’t a denial of the world ‘out there’, or a retreat from it – it’s getting to the heart of it. Our ‘insides’ have been given to us as a potential laboratory – a microcosm of the outside that one can plummet the depths of, hard though that might be – anything else is I think less grown up, an adolescent posturing, and I agree with the views expressed by Robert Hughes in ‘The New Shock of the New’ in this respect(his berating of Jeff Koons and his sympathy for those such as Sean Scully). ‘individualist inwardness can’t last and cannot be maintained… it all seems so naive… this inwardness tries to ignore the world outside … the baggage of the ‘purity’ project’? It seems to me that the challenge of every generation is to respond to the times we find ourselves in, and of course a repetition of what has gone before won’t do. Turner, Rembrandt, Cezanne – these artists asked the big questions, and in so doing asked a lot of themselves. They were trying to understand the nature of things – that requires a sincere questioning of oneself, the world, and contemporary trends – going against the grain. It seems to me that this is what it means to be truly revolutionary – everything is at stake. Isn’t it a lot more than having your cake and eating it?.

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By: Peter Stott http://abstractcritical.com/article/modernist-manoeuvres-and-pop-paradox-michael-stubbs-on-the-highs-and-lows-of-his-abstract-paintings/#comment-177407 Thu, 13 Jun 2013 00:09:47 +0000 http://abstractcritical.com/?post_type=article&p=7061#comment-177407 Moved further down the road of what it is?…From the very first stick in the mud to now?

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By: Peter Stott http://abstractcritical.com/article/modernist-manoeuvres-and-pop-paradox-michael-stubbs-on-the-highs-and-lows-of-his-abstract-paintings/#comment-177399 Wed, 12 Jun 2013 23:48:07 +0000 http://abstractcritical.com/?post_type=article&p=7061#comment-177399 pic.twitter.com/5frvSn1o

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By: Peter Stott http://abstractcritical.com/article/modernist-manoeuvres-and-pop-paradox-michael-stubbs-on-the-highs-and-lows-of-his-abstract-paintings/#comment-177398 Wed, 12 Jun 2013 23:46:40 +0000 http://abstractcritical.com/?post_type=article&p=7061#comment-177398 I’ve just checked that page and it doesn’t exist, I’ll try again.

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By: Peter Stott http://abstractcritical.com/article/modernist-manoeuvres-and-pop-paradox-michael-stubbs-on-the-highs-and-lows-of-his-abstract-paintings/#comment-177395 Wed, 12 Jun 2013 23:41:37 +0000 http://abstractcritical.com/?post_type=article&p=7061#comment-177395 If anyone can get anywhere near to seeing the cake paintings as convincing illusions of form and space then they must be on something special.

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By: Peter Stott http://abstractcritical.com/article/modernist-manoeuvres-and-pop-paradox-michael-stubbs-on-the-highs-and-lows-of-his-abstract-paintings/#comment-177390 Wed, 12 Jun 2013 23:35:05 +0000 http://abstractcritical.com/?post_type=article&p=7061#comment-177390 Except I can’t seem to work the link, it’s pic.twitter.com/5fruSn1o

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By: Peter Stott http://abstractcritical.com/article/modernist-manoeuvres-and-pop-paradox-michael-stubbs-on-the-highs-and-lows-of-his-abstract-paintings/#comment-177388 Wed, 12 Jun 2013 23:31:10 +0000 http://abstractcritical.com/?post_type=article&p=7061#comment-177388 5fruSnlo

I like contemporary art humour and those cake pieces amuse as well as being interesting crafted paint/objects.

Cake decorating is an interactive activity of putting stuff on other stuff and methods of cake decorating offer a language of matter/illusion that is mysterious.

There’s an interesting dichotomy of matter-of-fact substance and pictorial illusion of form and space.

Also with the work of Zebedee Jones and Jason Martin, the humour of ‘laying it on thick’, literally ‘putting it on with a trowel’ as if to ask how much paint is needed.

I’ve posted my own take on this, then you can see why I like the art cake pieces.

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By: Robin Greenwood http://abstractcritical.com/article/modernist-manoeuvres-and-pop-paradox-michael-stubbs-on-the-highs-and-lows-of-his-abstract-paintings/#comment-177307 Wed, 12 Jun 2013 19:12:11 +0000 http://abstractcritical.com/?post_type=article&p=7061#comment-177307 Did someone mention drugs? You like the cake painting!!!?

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By: Peter Stott http://abstractcritical.com/article/modernist-manoeuvres-and-pop-paradox-michael-stubbs-on-the-highs-and-lows-of-his-abstract-paintings/#comment-177227 Wed, 12 Jun 2013 15:23:04 +0000 http://abstractcritical.com/?post_type=article&p=7061#comment-177227 Love the cake paintings and the rest of ‘em too. Very much my generation of art, in fact they’re paintings I may have done myself. I feel a bit like that about Fiona Rae too, but I would use different things to go with the paint, definitely not pandas. Would, because I don’t have a studio. it’s like, paint = representation, but of what? Nobody knows, that’s why I would hesitate to use the word ‘abstraction’, it’s a label to describe a something, a phenomenon. We’ve just moved a little further down the road of finding out what it is, adopting different strategies (I hate artists using that word)of exploration.

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