Comments on: Mapping the Abstract: Robert Fry, Benjamin Brett, Blake Daniels http://abstractcritical.com/article/mapping-the-abstract-robert-fry-benjamin-brett-blake-daniels/ Abstract Critical is a not-for profit company aiming to establish a new critical context for all generations of artists involved with ambitious abstract art. Sun, 09 Nov 2014 17:23:33 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.2 By: John Bunker http://abstractcritical.com/article/mapping-the-abstract-robert-fry-benjamin-brett-blake-daniels/#comment-224629 Fri, 23 Aug 2013 06:01:32 +0000 http://abstractcritical.com/?post_type=article&p=7306#comment-224629 Tou Che’ Patrick! I’ll do my best…

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By: Patrick Jones http://abstractcritical.com/article/mapping-the-abstract-robert-fry-benjamin-brett-blake-daniels/#comment-224393 Thu, 22 Aug 2013 20:56:45 +0000 http://abstractcritical.com/?post_type=article&p=7306#comment-224393 Hi John,I dont think age has anything to do with anything.I think the fact that an aspiring artist has seen[or not] Albers colour theory,knows that colour works in relation to its neighbour,is extremely important.I think that an understanding of Picasso and Gonzales experiments in metal after synthetic cubism are so fascinating,I personally have no intention of giving them up.I think Robins wrong on this as he is dismissing the horizon line.Its about whether the thinking is lazy or vital.Let me see you come up with curatorial new possibilities,and reposition Abstract Art culturally,Ill be delighted!

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By: Chris Fortney http://abstractcritical.com/article/mapping-the-abstract-robert-fry-benjamin-brett-blake-daniels/#comment-224371 Thu, 22 Aug 2013 20:23:20 +0000 http://abstractcritical.com/?post_type=article&p=7306#comment-224371 I’m interested in the thoughts you shared about inconsequential moves in painting. Of course it’s all subjective, but I’ve found by working through large scale paintings at the quickest speed I’m able to, I feel that burning sense of risk as I go. I can think of specific parts in one particular painting that weren’t quite polished, the stroke or color just off and out of place. I call them gremlins! They have appeared as weird trees or dumpsters, maybe a shadow that was too heavy handed somewhere. And for me maintaining that sense of consequence in painting has a lot to do with balancing the necessary gremlins, which should not be worked over, with the correctly executed moments.

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By: Peter Stott http://abstractcritical.com/article/mapping-the-abstract-robert-fry-benjamin-brett-blake-daniels/#comment-223147 Wed, 21 Aug 2013 13:01:15 +0000 http://abstractcritical.com/?post_type=article&p=7306#comment-223147 I realize this is not exactly part of the discussion about these paintings (which to me, look OK) but a personal gripe about the title “Mapping The Abstract”. The phrase ‘mapping’ suggests some sort of scientific appraisal of the 2D data, yet it is inevitably used to mean something else, quite what, in this case, I don’t know. As things stand, there isn’t the computer vision technology to carry out this task, the possible 3D forms and spaces that an image might represent, cannot yet be articulated, as such, the form/space content of abstract painting remains mysterious, beyond ordinary human cognition and present levels of scientific analysis.

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By: John Bunker http://abstractcritical.com/article/mapping-the-abstract-robert-fry-benjamin-brett-blake-daniels/#comment-222537 Tue, 20 Aug 2013 19:14:01 +0000 http://abstractcritical.com/?post_type=article&p=7306#comment-222537 I look forward ( as always) to your insights Terry!

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By: Terry Ryall http://abstractcritical.com/article/mapping-the-abstract-robert-fry-benjamin-brett-blake-daniels/#comment-222528 Tue, 20 Aug 2013 19:05:35 +0000 http://abstractcritical.com/?post_type=article&p=7306#comment-222528 Well John, you disappoint me. I had you measured as a man of high ambition for whom no stakes would be too high! In contrast I fall into categories that generally aspire to low expectations (60 plus, Charlton Athletic supporter etc. etc.) so I certainly didn’t intend to present as looking for paradigm shifting revelations of legendary proportions from the Chronicles format. Oh no. If you don’t mind I’ll post something further to the Anne Smart discussion based on your comments (and thanks for yours).

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By: John Bunker http://abstractcritical.com/article/mapping-the-abstract-robert-fry-benjamin-brett-blake-daniels/#comment-222409 Tue, 20 Aug 2013 16:35:17 +0000 http://abstractcritical.com/?post_type=article&p=7306#comment-222409 As much as I agree with you on this Patrick, I would have to admit that so much of what calls itself Modernist art seems to be repeating the same o’l signage. I think a 23 year old can go through the process of reinventing the wheel a good few times (even if it is in public). I don’t necessarily think its cynicism. I would be far less patient with a 45 to 65 year old doing the same old same old in the name of something that, at best, is a highly disputed set of historical assumptions and contradictions….. Whether they be Modernist or Post Modernist in character ( its Academicism). I think the real challenge now is to get the work out there! Creating new curatorial opportunities. Testing out some of our time honoured ideas about what abstract art can actually achieve as a cultural force. Get it seen somehow. Maybe that means seeing the work in a different light too, getting, dare I say it, younger writers, thinkers and artists looking at the work! Creating debate! Which is what I think AbCrit is all about.

(And this is in part an answer to Terry’s comments concerning the first Brancaster discussion- it’s things like the Chronicles that are triggers for discussion, they are not earth shattering, paradigm shifting revelations of legendandary proportions! They are starting points….. By raising the stakes too high you end up throwing the baby out with the bath water.)

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By: Patrick Jones http://abstractcritical.com/article/mapping-the-abstract-robert-fry-benjamin-brett-blake-daniels/#comment-221642 Mon, 19 Aug 2013 21:23:31 +0000 http://abstractcritical.com/?post_type=article&p=7306#comment-221642 Thats what you get by ditching Modernism,uninformed cynicsm,anything goes.And yet so much of what Sam posts as young painting is depressingly similar, despite the anarchy.

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By: Sam http://abstractcritical.com/article/mapping-the-abstract-robert-fry-benjamin-brett-blake-daniels/#comment-221529 Mon, 19 Aug 2013 17:26:12 +0000 http://abstractcritical.com/?post_type=article&p=7306#comment-221529 Here could abstraction be seen as substance in which figuration is dissolved? Of course the title might be something dreamt up by the gallery, with the artists involved not making any particular claims. This may not be a completely satisfying type of ‘abstraction’ but I’m interested in how these young painters (the youngest 22 or 23) are approaching it. Though I’m yet to see the show myself…

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By: Robin Greenwood http://abstractcritical.com/article/mapping-the-abstract-robert-fry-benjamin-brett-blake-daniels/#comment-221410 Mon, 19 Aug 2013 12:52:56 +0000 http://abstractcritical.com/?post_type=article&p=7306#comment-221410 I know it doesn’t matter or anything, whatever, but was there actually any abstract painting in the show, at all, by chance?

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