Comments on: Greenberg and Modernism http://abstractcritical.com/article/greenberg-and-modernism/ Abstract Critical is a not-for profit company aiming to establish a new critical context for all generations of artists involved with ambitious abstract art. Sun, 09 Nov 2014 17:23:33 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.2 By: virginia bryant http://abstractcritical.com/article/greenberg-and-modernism/#comment-1155551 Sun, 09 Nov 2014 17:23:33 +0000 http://abstractcritical.com/?post_type=article&p=7410#comment-1155551 “On the other, the desire to place oneself in a state of constant turbulence of spirit, where study and calculation are anathema, where impulse rules, even arbitrary impulse, if only it ends in calm – this is the religion of every modern painter who still retains an identification with the romantic lineage.” As a painter that retains some of this, I disagree. Study and calculation (better said as contemplation) are a basic element of processes across many definitions, including romanticism. Those boundaries cannot be crossed with any power, without a firm rootedness in certain sorts of study and calculation, which may be said to be a refining, a part of any growth process.
Good stuff. Enjoyable read.

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By: Peter Stott http://abstractcritical.com/article/greenberg-and-modernism/#comment-250965 Sun, 22 Sep 2013 16:32:40 +0000 http://abstractcritical.com/?post_type=article&p=7410#comment-250965 There was in fact a critic of Stella who said there was no meat on the griddle, but I’ve forgotten their name.

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By: CAP http://abstractcritical.com/article/greenberg-and-modernism/#comment-250448 Sun, 22 Sep 2013 02:21:56 +0000 http://abstractcritical.com/?post_type=article&p=7410#comment-250448 On abstraction in painting: (a cornerstone for Greenberg’s version of Modernism) French/Belgian critic Michael Seuphor – slightly older than Greenberg but far more committed – makes for a bracing corrective. See ‘Abstract Painting’ – English editions 1964-7 or ‘A Dictionary of Abstract Painting’ 1958 English translation – Methuen and Co, London.

Seuphor’s version usually gets swept aside as Paris is exchanged for New York as The Great Centre, and he was often the implicit butt of some of Greenberg’s jibes, about excessive French cooking versus Puritanical American basics (barbecues?) mostly around the comparison between Soulages and Kline. But Seuphor was much less partisan or chauvinistic – appreciating the contrived pastes of Fautrier or Dubuffet just as much as the stripped down applications of Pollock or Kline. He visited New York in the early 50s and welcomed their developments. He didn’t see it as a contest. As he wittily replied, “But I am not on a diet!”

Alas it fell on dead ears.

Later generations of French critics such as Y-A Bois just couldn’t see what Seuphor was driving at in his later writings distinguishing between a scream and a cry (between accidental and deliberate demonstration) but if we want to recover Modernism from Greenbergian dogma, this may be a good place to start.

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By: Peter Stott http://abstractcritical.com/article/greenberg-and-modernism/#comment-248773 Thu, 19 Sep 2013 17:06:57 +0000 http://abstractcritical.com/?post_type=article&p=7410#comment-248773 “To read some commentators you might be tempted to think that Clement Greenberg invented Modernism and that it stands or falls in his account of it. He didn’t and it doesn’t”.

Hurray,thank God someone’s said it.

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