Comments on: 2013 Round Up – Abstraction’s Re-invention http://abstractcritical.com/article/2013-round-up-abstractions-re-invention/ Abstract Critical is a not-for profit company aiming to establish a new critical context for all generations of artists involved with ambitious abstract art. Sun, 09 Nov 2014 17:23:33 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.2 By: mark harrington http://abstractcritical.com/article/2013-round-up-abstractions-re-invention/#comment-383347 Thu, 30 Jan 2014 13:40:34 +0000 http://abstractcritical.com/?post_type=article&p=7785#comment-383347 words as definition can be misleading. abstraction in painting does not imply derivation, and the representational painting is not what it may appear to be: paintings of animals do not bite!
perhaps representation is the more abstract, and abstraction is purely presentational.

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By: Noela http://abstractcritical.com/article/2013-round-up-abstractions-re-invention/#comment-364729 Wed, 08 Jan 2014 15:13:15 +0000 http://abstractcritical.com/?post_type=article&p=7785#comment-364729 ps. the above is not a rule because I am sure Fred Pollock’s work is amazing.

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By: Noela http://abstractcritical.com/article/2013-round-up-abstractions-re-invention/#comment-364724 Wed, 08 Jan 2014 15:07:30 +0000 http://abstractcritical.com/?post_type=article&p=7785#comment-364724 I think I was struck by Poons’ comments about light always being surprising and a new experience when seen in a painting. Looking back at the Brancaster painters I feel that the works that resonate for me have a ‘light’ quality, or radiance of some kind, namely Hilde and Emyr. ( I know it’s bad to judge art on the screen ) I do get your point, though, about dealing with light through colour.

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By: Robin Greenwood http://abstractcritical.com/article/2013-round-up-abstractions-re-invention/#comment-364611 Wed, 08 Jan 2014 12:45:49 +0000 http://abstractcritical.com/?post_type=article&p=7785#comment-364611 I guess it is a catch, but perhaps no more so than the configuration of the body was a catch to figurative sculpture, which didn’t stop some good stuff being made, despite generally constraining it. So, yes, light could be an interesting thing to think about, as could many peoples’ notion of what is central to abstract painting, namely colour. And I guess you would deal with light through colour…? But I personally find difficulty in divorcing either of those things from spatial structure.

Can you point us at some work where you think this is happening? Poons I think you mentioned before…?

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By: Noela http://abstractcritical.com/article/2013-round-up-abstractions-re-invention/#comment-364564 Wed, 08 Jan 2014 11:51:16 +0000 http://abstractcritical.com/?post_type=article&p=7785#comment-364564 Seems like this is a catch 22 for abstract painting ! I would be interested in your views around thinking about ‘light’ rather than ‘space’ for abstract painting.

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By: John Holland http://abstractcritical.com/article/2013-round-up-abstractions-re-invention/#comment-364444 Wed, 08 Jan 2014 09:48:57 +0000 http://abstractcritical.com/?post_type=article&p=7785#comment-364444 The thing about this particular future, though, is that it’s essentially the same hyper-consumerist model that applies to everything else.
There is a process of de-centralisation, of growing multiplicities of perspectives and voices, and this is inevitable and often a good thing, but it’s all part, ultimately, of the universal commodification of experience. All things as mere choices amongst other choices, as the things that are considered, in conventional ‘left-wing’ thought to be oppressive and hierarchical- exclusion, judgement, a ‘canon’- are also the enemy of the new hyper-consumerist utopia.
Consumption of things and activities and information must, above all, grow, regardless of where, how, or why. Anything is good, whether it’s chocolate-flavoured cheese or exhibitions of radical environmental art. The only thing we will NOT do, is do less.

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By: Robin Greenwood http://abstractcritical.com/article/2013-round-up-abstractions-re-invention/#comment-364430 Wed, 08 Jan 2014 09:36:54 +0000 http://abstractcritical.com/?post_type=article&p=7785#comment-364430 Well, yes, I think that is my point, that (even) in abstract painting the illusion of space is some kind of representation of it; whereas in abstract sculpture, space is space, and the illusion is to do with how that space is manipulated, heightened, controlled etc. by the material.

I’m unconvinced that there is such a thing as ‘abstract’ space. Happy New Year.

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By: John Holland http://abstractcritical.com/article/2013-round-up-abstractions-re-invention/#comment-364410 Wed, 08 Jan 2014 09:19:52 +0000 http://abstractcritical.com/?post_type=article&p=7785#comment-364410 Robin- yes, I thought, now that it’s the New Year, it’s time for a new scrap.

Sorry to have misread you; your phrase, as you say, was about ‘representational illusion’. I suppose I’m still having some difficulty understanding, in this context, what unrepresentational illusion might be, if space in painting is considered to be representional.
I was being a bit disingenuous about the sculpture of the past- I can see your point that freedom from figuration might have more liberating potential for sculpture than painting.

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By: Robin Greenwood http://abstractcritical.com/article/2013-round-up-abstractions-re-invention/#comment-363618 Tue, 07 Jan 2014 19:08:26 +0000 http://abstractcritical.com/?post_type=article&p=7785#comment-363618 John,
WHAT!?!?
Where have I said illusion is bad? I haven’t.

What I’ve said somewhere up near the top of the page is that the illusion of space in abstract painting is representational. For the record, I think illusion in both painting and sculpture is of the essence. And I also think that figurative sculpture taken as a whole is vastly inferior to figurative painting, for reasons I’ve dealt with elsewhere. And I also think that positions may be reversed in abstract painting and sculpture, with the former being at a disadvantage. I would have though I had made that pretty clear by now, but obviously not.

Not quite sure where your question came from… Not trying to pick a quarrel with me now, are you?

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By: John Holland http://abstractcritical.com/article/2013-round-up-abstractions-re-invention/#comment-363477 Tue, 07 Jan 2014 16:25:41 +0000 http://abstractcritical.com/?post_type=article&p=7785#comment-363477 I’m interested to know, Robin, why you say ‘illusion’ is Bad. Is it a religious or ethical sort of thing, like the Budhist attitude, or is it more phenomenological and qualitative, to do with a quest for precision or intensisty of experience?

And does it mean the greatest art of the past is, by definition, sculpture?

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